[TF] The Esteemed Palace of the Crane (Stronghold)

What do you think?

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Hendrick
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Re: Ivory 2 "20 Festivals" SH Previewed at worlds (Plus)

Postby Hendrick » Mon Oct 13, 2014 1:54 pm

Not a huge fan. At the moment, there are not that many fate cards that provide honor gains and dynasty side only 3 holdings that do so. As it currently stands, bowing the stronghold to produce a gain of 2 is far to costly with out enough benefit. The New Order may change this, my first impression of this stronghold is that it is underwhelming and far weaker than any other clan's stronghold.

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Re: Ivory 2 "20 Festivals" SH Previewed at worlds (Plus)

Postby Asahina Kilava » Mon Oct 13, 2014 2:01 pm

chameshi.nampa wrote:Am disappointed as I mainly play military. The current SH is more versatile. I liked having the choice of going either military or honor. Now I feel I need to honor run to make use of the SH ability as it does nothing towards a military win. It would just be a blank SH for military, unless a new military themed sensei is released for Crane.


Don't say "nothing".
In the dishonor match up you can use it to pay 4 gold to gain an extra turn of buying men.
In military vs military, you will ALWAYS be able to honor out - so when going to time, you can force your opponent to make an unfavourable attack, this is huge!
In addition, as Crane military have high personal honor, you can use it to control the favour, again a strong action.

On the face of it, might not look versatile as the last and free gold is free gold. New stronghold is very Crane in form, and the 2nd point is really strong, and not to be underestimated.

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Re: Ivory 2 "20 Festivals" SH Previewed at worlds (Plus)

Postby chameshi.nampa » Mon Oct 13, 2014 2:09 pm

Asahina Kilava wrote:
chameshi.nampa wrote:Am disappointed as I mainly play military. The current SH is more versatile. I liked having the choice of going either military or honor. Now I feel I need to honor run to make use of the SH ability as it does nothing towards a military win. It would just be a blank SH for military, unless a new military themed sensei is released for Crane.


Don't say "nothing".
In the dishonor match up you can use it to pay 4 gold to gain an extra turn of buying men.
In military vs military, you will ALWAYS be able to honor out - so when going to time, you can force your opponent to make an unfavourable attack, this is huge!
In addition, as Crane military have high personal honor, you can use it to control the favour, again a strong action.

On the face of it, might not look versatile as the last and free gold is free gold. New stronghold is very Crane in form, and the 2nd point is really strong, and not to be underestimated.


I mean nothing towards military regarding the win condition of taking provinces. The 1 extra gold from the current SH helps buy attachments that can go towards increasing force which can lead toward taking provinces. An honor gain does not lend itself directly to taking a province.

I agree that new SH is thematically Crane and I believe I can make a decent honor runner deck for my environment, but I would prefer being able to go straight military with SH support.

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Re: Ivory 2 "20 Festivals" SH Previewed at worlds (Plus)

Postby Himoto » Mon Oct 13, 2014 2:54 pm

While I have nothing against Crane military, I think a sensei is exactly where support for it should be, in a one-stronghold game.

Trying to make a stronghold that support both honor and military equally has two possible result: one is that the Crane dominant decktype end up being switch since it can take advantage of both sides of the stronghold ; or else the stronghold give such a generally useful bonus that benefit both military and honor alike that it's basically busted (see: pre-errata Ivory, Kosaten)

More to the point, while military has a place in Crane, making the stronghold equally potent for military as it is for honor implies that military is as fundamental to the Crane as honor. And that's just not the Crane. We're the honor clan, through and through, and that's what the stronghold's should try to reflect first and foremost.

Like I said, military support is best left to sensei, which better represent the sub-groups within the clans that are more focused on military matters.

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Re: Ivory 2 "20 Festivals" SH Previewed at worlds (Plus)

Postby Asahina Shimato » Mon Oct 13, 2014 10:18 pm

I wonder what Sensei they will pair with that stronghold. It's like seeing only part of the puzzle. Most seem to assume that a Sensei will blank the stronghold, but I wonder if there is another way. Reducing family honor by a big chunk, for instance, so that the Crane start behind but will be able to catch up. (Kind of sounds like an Asahina sensei, now that I think of it...)

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Re: [TF] The Esteemed Palace of the Crane (Stronghold)

Postby Doji Morou » Wed Oct 15, 2014 1:14 am

Just imagine that there is a card, preferably a Personality, that can straighten your SH.
As it is - the SG is a decent back-to-the-roots card with no design imagination applied to it. But with reliable (or even situational) straighening it can be very strong. Now I want a Limited duel with "The winner gains 1 Honor and straightens a holding or Stronghold" effect )

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Re: [TF] The Esteemed Palace of the Crane (Stronghold)

Postby Doji Makoto » Wed Oct 15, 2014 5:19 am

Such stronghold. Very Crane. Much honor. Wow.
Now, I really want sensei with stronghold straightening :D
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Re: [TF] The Esteemed Palace of the Crane (Stronghold)

Postby Kakita Shiro » Wed Oct 15, 2014 8:23 am

Based on the advertised art, it looks like this is the Crane stronghold in upcoming The Currency of War learn-to-play set.
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Re: Ivory 2 "20 Festivals" SH Previewed at worlds (Plus)

Postby Asahina Lugumi » Thu Oct 16, 2014 5:48 am

Hendrick wrote:Not a huge fan. At the moment, there are not that many fate cards that provide honor gains and dynasty side only 3 holdings that do so. As it currently stands, bowing the stronghold to produce a gain of 2 is far to costly with out enough benefit. The New Order may change this, my first impression of this stronghold is that it is underwhelming and far weaker than any other clan's stronghold.


On the contrary.
If Honor producing holding and strategy cards are scarce, having a reliable, reusable one on the board as quickly as even before the game starts is nothing but powerful.

Also, at the time being, military decks are getting benefices from both our current SH and their sensei (Akagi AND Tadanobu, for I, for one, prefer this last one in a military deck rather than in an honor one), since military decks will use the 1 gold boost to equip attachments AND their sensei's ability.
One the contrary, honor decks see their SH nullified or almost nullified by the scorpion SH or simple holdings like Yukuhime's. And do not have available sensei on top of it all.

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Re: [TF] The Esteemed Palace of the Crane (Stronghold)

Postby Roki » Mon Oct 20, 2014 11:10 am

I like this SH more than the first. I want a top tier honor theme!


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